Why have the Bitcoin Talk forums gone to shit? How did that happen?

I was on those BTC forums years ago, as a reader but not an avid poster. I visited again for the first time in years. It used to be filled with wide-eyed people that wanted to change the world in a way before all the regulation hit, with at least somewhat interesting economic discussion.

The entire market sub-forum is illegal, except for one or two. Hacked server credentials, "cheap server for mining!!" VMs purchased via stolen credit cards and resold for spam, attacks, and crypto mining until they get shut down for abuse or chargeback, cracked software for money (betting there's a 50/50 chance you get keys from a stolen cc or some keygen telling you the software needs a patch to work).

The usual "buy likes and followers on social media" crap again with obvious bot followers.

Feels like the mods just gave up on the idea altogether (not sure how), and that area of the forums especially reeks of any forum that once had a decent amount of popularity, but then gets abandoned, allowing the vulture-bots to feed on its carcass.

Reddit seems to be one of the few bastions left for good crypto forum-style discussion, though I'm not sure if it's just everywhere that most people would rather just talk about selling shovels to chumps than the future of the technology and the network.